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For those, who still think, that CO2 we emit into air depends on temperature on the Earth, print this graph and put it on your wall  xxxlaugh.gif

(http://i46.tinypic.com/205v61.jpg)

ok THAT'S again something interesting you post. Can you give me the source where you got this from and who examined this influences? And is the arctic AIR temperature linked to the melting of the ice and warming of the oceans?

I personally think it's not a wise idea anyway to change the chemical allocation of our globe this strongly as we have no idea of it's consequences in the long run.

ok, here i see you again having common idea, the idea, that those, who are upon us, want us to think. Actually there a lot of science programs (not on TV, in internet), who reveal you, that global warming is one big lie, i wonder you haven't met any. Or may be you did, but preferred to believe to what government tells you in news on TV. I've took this graph from here, if you are interested: http://rps3.com/Files/AGW/Rutan.AGWdataAnalysis%20v11.pdf (http://rps3.com/Files/AGW/Rutan.AGWdataAnalysis%20v11.pdf)

(http://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/0//46/305/46305371_266091326027f3f4b7a5549041e21bc1b31d242c71c.jpg)

 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw)

by the way, DeineLtan, do you know how much nature itself throws CO2 into airs??? one volcano explosion brings amount of CO2, that humans produce for years!! Well, nearly.

that video LOOOOOOOL  xxxlaugh.gif xxxlaugh.gif

Exactly, it's LOL, so why it was removed to another thread? =\

because we can discuss this beyond that video. we can express our opinions about that video or other issues relating to global warming!

well, that guy may have said some really true words...but global warming is an actual problem, and if the 6,5 bilion preople start to think like him, then YES, the planet IS going DOWN

Global warming is an actually problem? And do you think it is because WE throw too much CO2? Then let me explain this more intelligible....



And btw, watch some video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzSzItt6h-s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzSzItt6h-s)

Unfortunately, i didn't find videos from Lindoln LaRouche, cuz he's changed his web site design so much, that i hardly find there anything....

it is an actual problem yes. and no, it's not only because we throw too much CO2. it's because we throw it without control, and we also take out the few things that can erase CO2 levels, aka trees and other plants, it's because we are starting to fuck every second and creating more and more children. people from India get babies every 2 seconds!
and there are lots of other things.
more? CO2 increases the greenhouse effect. which increases temperature.
BUT, CFC's (you know what that is?) destroys the ozone layer, which allows sun beams to penetrate easily our atmosphere.

anyway, i still want to stay with this mind that we need to decrease CO2 levels, also CFC's, and other gases. i thinkl we need to stop being so addicted to oil. we need alternative energies.
hey, even if the temperature raises with solar activity, if we make these changes of trying to decrease CO2 levels, it won't hurt anybody, will it?
that's my poit of view.

OFF- don't worry, my ass will be fine ;D

No, it will. Do you know, how much coil Afrika has? A lot! And why doesn't it use this cheap energy source to develop itself faster, like Europe did in the part and every other (that is developed now) region?? Because now all those greenpeaces are trying to insert those "green" technologies into there, that are very expensive and not effective. Surely, who cares about poverty and low life level in Afrika, we care only about our own asses!

Wooho, here i found them. (click)

1) Cold truth about climate (http://www.larouchepac.com/lpactv?nid=9261)
2) Goodbye, Global Warming (http://www.larouchepac.com/lpactv?nid=9961)
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ok, I have seen now both sides and I come to the opinion that it's totally right and urgent to change to renewable energies and lower our emissions.
I totally agree with fcb; even when there's a risk we're wrong about our influence on the global warming, we can't ignore it.

And we have to get off that 'who's responsable by doing what' discussion so much and put focus on how much will it be sooner and later and how to handle it the best. Because global warming is happening, no one can doubt this, and we have to prepare for this changing.

But even when you want to get on with the responsability question, more facts speak indeed for a disequilibration caused by humans, and the actual swindle seems to be this movie. There are enough real conspiracies in our world, speak to me about 9/11 or the repression of clean energy if you like these discussions (yet some other threads, I know :D), this one here is pretty sure NONE.

I found a nice TV discussion just about your movie which reveals some "inconvenient UNtruths" in your movie. Watch them and listen carefull to the specialists in the debate (Takes some time but a founded opinion to have takes always work, doesn't it?). That has to change your opinion if you're weighing the given information rationally.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeQfD2DNnUQ&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeQfD2DNnUQ&feature=related)

And your comedian is funny and partially right; we dont kill our planet. But we do kill ourselves by changing the conditions of our planet. One very striking fact is also mentioned in this video above:
There have been times when it was warmer and more CO2 in the atmosphere, prehistorical times. And volcans did indeed put much more CO2 in the air than we (in these times, NOT nowadays!). These are all facts written down in thousands of years old rock layers. They tell us it was a life-hostile time in human mesurements. Plants could only live in these times, prehistorical plants which took most of the CO2 out of the atmosphere, binding it into themselves. These plants are the oil we burn today and release their carbonite into the air again. You dont have to be a genious to assess if that's a wise step for beeings like us, who need this atmosphere that we're still living in.
It's dangerous and ignorant to deny this. We aint gonna kill this planet, but we may have an influence how long we're living on it.
Once more, my prefered way is co-existence instead of denial and domination.

And cutting off the 3rd world's economical power is a whole other issue and has been begon since colonialisation and goes on till nowadays. Of course we gotta make sure the same possibilities and chances for everybody, but you cannot change this from one day to another. I got some ideas on shifting ressources and establish a fair global economical competition which would not decompose itself that fast and heavy as we have it today, but that would be more than just one new thread and we're still on a egoshooter clan forum ;-)

But very interesting discussion and I appreciate it of you to bring this into dialogue and make people think again on their own opinion, the medial influence and the world we're living in and we're leaving to our children one day.

Did he bring some super-arguments, that cancel all i wrote and showed? Please show them to me.

Now more and more TV programs are being created after documents from Great Britain Climat Change center have been revealed (hacked and published), revealing, that they have changed temperature measures by themselves to make publics believe global warming is true, and also a lot of other things, which you can freely download from internet. (i'm too lazy to search for link now).

And TV show is not argument here, because we all know, that TV is mass media and it is their biggest tool to make publics believe global warming is true. If you look at those TV shows about global warming, u see no scientist there, that opposes to the fact of Global Warming - they simple don't invite them!

Soooo untrue! Just watch the debate, dont be too convenient. There are almost the same opponents as the pro side, which isn't at all represantive to the true composition. But of course, all scientists are paid or afraid to tell the truth, aight?

Yes, fcb said the most important fact which blows all your arguments away: we cant take the risk!

Btw, if TV shows are no argument, why do you argument with this Britain TV programm, a wrong funded emission of a broadcaster which often provokes with false stories?

And even when we suppose there is no risk,
do you think its good to have this fuel pumped into the air? CO2 is one thing, there are hell more emissions and toxic COx radical gases going out. When you spend a day in downtown Manhatten, your shower water is dark at the beginning. Lung cancers are way more often in heavily urbanized regions than in villages, even taken out the more amount of smokers. Really, your theory isnt sustainable if you see all facts.

Because i couldn't find another videos i searched for. But later i did, and posted them here. But i think you didn't even open them.

No, i don't think we should continue to emit more and more shit into the air. But at least everyone needs to know the truth, but not what government wants you to think. Global warming has already become a business, a lot of money are funded into those doubtful projects like (influence of global warming on mouses) just to make people believe this swindle even more. We are trying to prove something, that is primordially false! That's how our science goes forward, huh?

I watched your video. Neither me or you can say something about the influence of the alignment of the sun towards the earth which goes over seasons and why february has only 28 days. So we can't say if these videos are wrong or right. The facts your other 'opinion-programme' claims are just wrong, and your graph about sun activity and it's influence on artctic air temperatures is misleading and not impartial.

But as I know,
people can only believe what they want to believe, good most people see it different these times and I dont have to worry and make any more effort to convince you of the facts and bring you away from your dangerous optimism.

I don't see here any argument! Don't u have anymore? I understand, everything leaded to this.


What about Greenshouse effect, joao, i would suggest to you to read some not-governmental supported sites, like this one (http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/). I need to run to the market now, to buy some Lebensmittel, i'll come back soon xD


DeineLtan, it seems like you always try to oppose my opinion, without any connection to what i say...

The opposite is the case, my dear! And I have to say, I had the same idea like you.

You're the one who refuses to watch the counter statement and who didnt reply to one of my many arguments:

- CO2, binded by prehistorical plants from a life-hostile era, released again now by humans

- The fact that because there's this risk, we cant afford its consequences.

- We aren't astronomers, and even they can only make up theories about ice ages. Doesnt legit the risk.

- Other heavy pollution gases, toxic at the same time decreasing CO2-binding plants.

And I don't want to write out all the anti arguments of the movie, just watch it, a donkey will understand my opinion is funded and your's IS NOT.
If you wanna discuss, go in on my arguments also, than we can go on with your counter statements.

Better be prepared for the worst I say.  msn011.gif If I'm going to live for the next, say, 60 years, there's bound to come some sort of drastic changes/ catastrophes that will require some drastic changes in lifestyle.

As for global warming I suppose it is real, and something needs to be done if we can.  xxxras.gif

Surely, only donkey will understand your opinion, donkey won't understand mine cuz it's beyond his comprehension  xxxlaugh.gif   I don't wanna waste my time to oppose your statements, because it doesn't work anyway. You are so obstinate with your opinion as a...donkey, yea! The one you took as example  xxxlaugh.gif

by the way, PainSavour is right about changing our lifestyle. Just check out site energy.eu/ (http://energy.eu) and scroll till "Depletion". See dates? Gas and Oil will end up on this planet even in this century, and we will witness this all! That's gonna be h0t times  ;D

Thanks for the proof of your inability to discuss. No, dont bother any arguments, you dont need to defend your position in a discussion, nor to amplify others thoughts. Think the way you want it to be and disfame others. That's cool, people will surely think you're smarter than a donkey.

And yeah, oil and gas is gonna run out so soon. They know exactly how much we got left, thats why they dont have to bore for it. Lets believe the oil companies version, legitimate the immense price increases. And on holiday seasons, the oil gets even less, so they have to raise the prices again! No, that's probably not because of a huge economical monopole, that's because they can say how much is left! And they say, lets burn it through our engines, make plastic bags which get burned after 1 use from the mall home. If you were a rich oil company CEO, and you'd know oil is running out soon. Would you transform your capital on newer energies and safe the precious last for necessary things like medecin, lacquer or plastic or would you buy all other energy technology plans, leave them untouched under your desk and tell the world we have soo few oil, but you can burn it if you pay a lot?
But I'm sure in your world it all makes sense, must be the bad environmentalists conspiring again.

you're a joke, pretending to be serious. Not worth a true discussion as I see.

With such opponent, i don't see any end of this discussion. Seems like i have too small authority for someone to take me serious. I would discuss something only with someone, who respects me and my opinion. It's not you, DeineLtan, sorry.

No, no, I'm just fooling you all the time and never take your opinion as a serious statement to think about. I didn't show you and your opinion any respect, did I? I only discuss to argue with you and post my shit.

You make me angry, bonehead, I better stop here. Go on post your unfunded and gridlocked opinion for others and ignore respectfull and honest spoken critics. Turn everything into ridicule which isn't your word!  argh.gif  finger1

Yay!! People, he finally left this thread, now we can normally discuss this issue :)))

what do you mean normally? different opinions will always bring some spicy arguments, as we can all see ;D
anyway, it's not me, or Ltan, or you that are going to change this. we all will. all that is left is for us to do what we think it's right, to follow the advices from people who really understand about this, and follow those advices if we agree with them. that's all. we are still free

I meant, than inability of accepting any other opinion, that differs from your one, isn't good characterization in arguing  :)))

yes yes...indeed

omg, no live? discussing global warming ?

nerds  xxxlaugh.gif


this is just proof that u cant handle his opinion XD

There is no evidence about a leading role of CO2 in the global warming in all the times of this fucking old planet. (Explain me the "Little Glacial" in the Middle Age, Ltan!) If someone has sanity and reason, he's able to realise, that the most important influence on the energy status of this tiny fucking planet is - the sun. The angle of the sunlight on this (fucking staggering) globe made the difference between summer and winter, not the fart of a cow.

BUT: The fight against the "global warming caused by manmade air pollution with greenhouse gases" takes hundred of hundred of billions dollars.

AND IT'S WASTED, LIKE EVEN ALL THE DISCIPLES OF THE CHURCH OF GLOABL WARMING ADMIT! IT BRINGS - NOTHING! NOT THE TOUSENDS PART OF ONE DEGREE! FUCK!

If you're able to use google, you'll find the mails from the leading institute for the which show the lies and tricks to manipulate the people. (If not, click here:http://www.pi-news.net/downloads/FOI2009.zip (http://www.pi-news.net/downloads/FOI2009.zip))

Again: Show me the CO2-reason for the "Little Glacial", the "Greenland" few centuries b4 when wikings settle there and named this land not without reason. I would ask you about Ötzi, who was buried from the ice for 5000 ys. Was this one of the stone age guys, which was extincted by a former global warming if he could croak on warm gras in 3.200m? How they did this? Burn down whole Europes woods in one piece? C'mon! If this interglacials wasn't manmade, but correlate with sun activity...

They're liar and try to thrill us with Fary Tales, make us to slaves of their absurd global warming religion, supress the commen sense and rly scientifical arguments. Fuck them!

P.S.: Fuck the "Can't take the risk" too! Ridiculous argument to persuasade pplz with fear. We've so many things we could do with this money to bring mankind towards or save lives. If we hasn't nothing to do with our lives, money and times - then we could think about spending all this for a - risk...

Thanks for your support, foxxy! cwl.)  msn009.gif

PS. I'm also glad, that someone else reads www.pi-news.net (http://www.pi-news.net) except of me  ;D

This is exactly what i was talking about - e-mails between some GB "scientists", that were hacked some time ago and prove, that they lied us about those "terrifying statistics"...

I think you totally didn't get my arguments, foxx.

Did I once say CO2 is the proven causer of global warming or anything like this?
I said get off your "who caused this by doing what"-discussion and prepare to face consequences of changing. And there is indeed a changing of the global climate, if you deny this, you're total ignorant. Our glaciers here in Switzerland are decreasing and mountains become instable, Mister Ice Age!

And yes, I believe more the thousands of meteorologists, biologists, physicians and astrologers from the most famous universities with the best equipment than any Internet or TV conspiracy theorist. Yeah, economical ressource management is such a huge business due to its bad efficency and high cost level, exactly! The innocent brave oil companies getting ripped here, aren't they?

And Ötzi is from the Copper Age, before you ask, dinosaurs and humans never lived to the same time :-D. When our precious oil what you recommend to burn mindless was still fauna and flora, the homo sapiens sapiens didnt even exist on this planet, and wouldnt have survived either!

To your ice ages in midd age, I repeat:
No one can already explain these huge and long-resistend ice periods, if it was only about solar activity, there wouldn't be such a discussion.

And that's where the CO2 comes in,
it is in fact a proven greenhouse gas. And its indeed the only thing which went up together with the global temperatures, scientists came up with this theory BECAUSE the solar activity can't explain these increases anylonger by itself. Of course solar activity is the biggest power to earth, did I ever doubt this? Greenhouse gases are only revealing their influence by holding more of the solar energy in the atmosphere!

And if you still think its ok to pollute the air with fuel engines, monopolized all over the world, I take you once to the workers in the coal mines in Bolivia, where their average life expectance is 21, and have to work for a slave salary for the mineral companies, diyng of cancer when they reach adulthood.

Also to you I can say, watch the video, try to answer my arguments first and ESPECIALLY! read first close what my opinion is and arguments are! And THEN tell my why its so bad to fight against this earth raping fuel burning monopole and so bad to invest and change to renewable energies.

And where's my ignorance or disrespect for your holy opinion? I named you lots of concrete arguments and scientists which give out facts, internationally, academical mesured and accepted facts of clima developement, this clown sova isn't posting shit but comedians and unprovable or completely wrong researched/manipulated TV emissions and is calling me a donkey and you're pretending I can't accept other opinions because you (cant) disprove them???

Religious ideology? What a joke, you guys are Scientologists telling an agnostic he's gridlocked! :-/

Aha, all you can't explain is unclear, but the global warming fact is enough to blame the mankind and esp. the hightech-industriy for being evil... You're kidding me, friend?!

It's proven, that CO2 is a greenhouse gas. But CH4 aka Methan is four time better! And now? The fact is, there is no evidence for the leading role of this gases in the global warming - if this trend from different and contradictory theories is true. We need a global cataclysm like the ejection of the Perm Trapp to reach a exhaust of CO2 for big changes...

Understand me right: If you defame me as an ignorant only bc you see some glaciers melting down, you didn't realize, that this could me a local or temporarily effect! As you say: We couldn't explain the ice ages. Why should the mechanism different to rapid global warming? And why we should able to explain with the co2-theory the global warming, but not cooling of climate?

The main problem, you probably didn't get, is the dependence of the believing in the main axiom: The content of CO2 in the earth atmosphere is the only / main reason for global warming. People which didn't accept the posibility there could be a refutation of this theory are believers even if they call themself scientists! Doubt is the heart of knowledge. I'm not sure about this things, but I hate this followers, which supress other opinions and force people to change their life.

Otherhand I aggree, that the unleashed exploitation of nature and resources is one of the biggest problem of mankind. Chemical pollution is a completely different thing: We could proof the toxic effects. I'm against the globalisation, I reject the banking system and the monopolisation of resources. I guess, the deeper problem isn't the usage of oil, the problem is to burn this precious treasure of soil instead of using for chemical industry. Or do you reject chemistry?  xxxras.gif

If you rush against Sova and the comedian, think about humor as a weapon against the ignorance and arrogance. People feel so, this guyz only speak it out.

Last but not least: You got me with the Copper Age (now I know, for what they burning down Europe and causing this Global Warming I  xxxlaugh.gif). If you want a fight on this level - plz:


Aaaha... The Catholic Church has also changed his belief as Gallileio revealed the theory about the solar system. The whole scientific society was excited and convinced about nuklear theory, quantum theory, ether,... what you want. LOL


I guess it was few years ago as automobiles take coal for theyr steam engines. And the killer phrase from the poor guy who's dying for my rich life - cry in your bed about it!  ::)



What is now true? 1) It's not proven! 2) This guys say, it is proven! 3) You?

P.S.: When you're so shocked, why do you use bad things like internet, PC, mobiles, microwaves, TV, radio, squandering energy and resources only for your pleasure? xxxshifty.gif Take it easy, pal!

btw: Did anyone know, that only 30 ys ago the whole scientific community, all "experts" believe in a new glacial period?

http://www.welt.de/wissenschaft/umwelt/article5489379/Als-uns-vor-30-Jahren-eine-neue-Eiszeit-drohte.html (http://www.welt.de/wissenschaft/umwelt/article5489379/Als-uns-vor-30-Jahren-eine-neue-Eiszeit-drohte.html)

sry only german...

Ironically, first page of "Time" journal from 1985 year till now looks like >THIS< (http://butnowyouknow.wordpress.com/those-who-fail-to-learn-from-history/climate-change-timeline/)   xxxlaugh.gif xxxlaugh.gif

Nice graph:  msn011.gif

(http://butnowyouknow.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/climate-bullshit1.jpg)


Ltan, how can you speak about "reliable best scientists in the world", when we have proven you, that they have changed measures on purpose to mislead public? Before shouting "you didn't bring any arguments", first look at yourself  msn012.gif

(http://pit.dirty.ru/dirty/1/2009/12/10/27337-134110-91bb2eebabf164fea1d24b1feac2b147.jpg)

Hey foxxy, we think on the same thing  xxxlaugh.gif

Here is a video of how reliable IPCC graphs and "facts" are:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io-Tb7vTamY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io-Tb7vTamY)

Duuuuuuude GLENN BECK???? ROFLMAO  rofl1 rofl1 rofl1 rofl1 rofl1 rofl1 rofl1 rofl1 rofl1 rofl1 rofl1 rofl1 rofl1

Man, that's an uberepic fail to post a vid from that guy to support ANY argument, not only GW. Do a little background check on him ;)

Crybaby Beck?  msn012.gif

You didn't take part in discussion and now you enter here just to post this?

yes I entered just to post that. Because no matter on what side off the argument you are, you  have to chose wisely who do you consider to be an trusted expert/source. I'm not buying the crap A.Gore is selling neither can I take seriously anything from that nutjob G.Beck.

Pretty good attitude of M4rtini, as I think.

I am also critical to both sides, and I know also the best scientists change their theories like others underwear. I dont want to write another roman to sort out all stuff, foxx.

Fact is, sova is a disrespectful and bad discussion partner, though I respect his comedian a lot, that guy is hillarious and wise, RIP!
Earth climate is changing (all the time) and mankind has to be prepared for either version and would do better to get around more respecting nature in all ways.

I'm neither against technology nor against globalisation (which made this huge technical progress possible). I like technology and science, know of the lies of modern media and am just against raping the nature and fuel monopoles and stupid developement. Therefor I am PRO renewable energies and AGAINST burning fuels, maybe you overread it, foxx, but I wrote just to sova before, oil should be used very wisely for medecin and lacquiers and things its needed for, not to burn it in motors or heating ovens.

tired to answer. basta.

Stop arguing, Happy Hanukkah to everyone!!!  yiiiiha.gif

Peace and love and no global warming for all ut3 players, mostly Lilium Atratum.

@Sova: Yesterday I told my sweety, that we do in fact simulate hanukka, bc we give our (bigger) son many little gifts instead of a lot on christmas.  xxxlaugh.gif

@Ltan: I like you and as I see you has a founded and differentiated opinion. I agree about rejecting of monopoles, but I refuse globalisation which is only made for exploitaition of people, decrease our level of living not for the raising of the third world but only for profit of cocksucking trusts!

So next time I'll kick your ass! If we see us ingame. xxxlaugh.gif

greetz foxxx

P.S.: Whats about Lilium and the global warming? Lives he on the seychelle islands?  ;D

CO2 is overrated for its impact on the environment.

Why don't the environment protectors alarm things like:
- sunken container ships with nuclear waste in the surface waters of the Mediterranean Sea,
- radioactive wood pellets being burned in the EU (ok, this was mentioned in international news),
- PET plastic to cause cancer (nephew of the inventors of Pet states this now... he drinks only from glass bottles. but what does not cause cancer our days? ^^).

It is all a system. Power and money. We won't get to know about it. We won't change it.

...CO2 :D

aka_sova      This post was removed by a moderator (/unecesarry..) ???

Did you remove my post for others or your own bitchy answer on it?  xxxlaugh.gif

Well, A post like. Tired to answer. basta IS unecesarry...

Oh is that what i wrote? I think not.
If you start to censore my posts, that was my last one. Have fun... blablabla.gif

viva la vida...

Bloody has removed a post by sova, as you should be able to see from the poster name and the reason why the post was hidden: cause it wasn't necessary.
You really think, this is something else than spam, here, read it up now.


 ...Mann, Mann, Mann.  ::)

Who censored you, mister Ideal?

All bender removed (for not obvious reasons) was my post, that contained "Tired to answer. basta".

No1 censored DeinLtan. Sova wrote "Tired to answer. Basta!" Superflous post, no1 wants to know if you like to post or not.

It's not superfluous, it gives to know to DeineLtan, that i don't answer not because i don't anything to say (that will create an impression to him, that he has convinced me and won in this argue, which isn't true, no one did), but because i'm tired of this arguing, that "leads nowhere" (c).

Don't be like youtube, that requires at least 5 characters to allow to comment.

And those people want to change our climate? Are those people wo which you commit yourself, DeineLtan?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuj_tlRRQdQ&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuj_tlRRQdQ&feature=player_embedded)

Also some graphs for your familiarization, DeineLtan.

http://www.c3headlines.com/2009/06/a-quick-scroll-through-temperature-records-historical-modern-global-warming-is-crisis-unprecedented.html (http://www.c3headlines.com/2009/06/a-quick-scroll-through-temperature-records-historical-modern-global-warming-is-crisis-unprecedented.html)

(http://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b58035970c0120a6332068970b-pi)

And I thought you don't want to argue anymore...

Well seems i have a bit mood and continue this  xxxlaugh.gif  and new incoming arguments  msn012.gif

ok, Bender, misunderstood your, concerning the removal. No hard feelings.

I aint arguing with Sova anymore, due to mentioned reasons. And I didn't ever wanted to convince him of my "ideals", people which are too stupid to understand that burning fuels is no good idea on the long hand can't be helped anyway.

But since foxxy also entered the discussion, I wrote some things again.

Actually, I watched looots of YouTube videos since this dispute and read some articles, I came to the result: I can't make a clear opinion whether and how climate will be changing, actually no one can, we're depending on the statements of some scientists and men in public positions, we can't be sure at all.

So, I keep my own opinion against OPEC and the pollution of the environment, for renewable energies, I do what I can to go on responsable with power, but won't exaggerate it and keep beeing critical towards other public opinions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-TpETjHNZw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-TpETjHNZw)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T4UF_Rmlio (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T4UF_Rmlio)

You are absolutely right, no one can predict climate changes, and i'm glad you've got something from this discussions. cwl.)

Hey man, I never thought anyone really can!

You came around like: 'pump this fuel into the air, can't hurt' which I still deny.

what you really showed me, is that there is a huge discussion and people on both sides are strongly suspected to manipulate statistics and gamble with public opinions. But I noticed this early and said that in my first posts, that's why we have such a long thread here about it, I liked your controverse opinion as a stimulus to think, watch and read about this topic more. If you just also respect my opinion and keep it on a non-personal, rational level it's really cool and I dont have to pollute the air by getting a flight to Tel-Aviv to beaten you up.  msn012.gif

Post all your sick ideas, even when I'm not thinking just like you after reading them, you got a good chance to make me make my mind up on some stuff I didnt think that much yet. Appreciated. cha_43.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_urxI9L5Ak (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_urxI9L5Ak)
no matter what the better solution is...i just want our planet to be like this.
(watch HD version on youtube)

Earth in HD: great graphics! ...but the game play sucks.  msn011.gif

for now the creators can only apply the spectate mode ;D

No, I have the adminlogin, I play it sometimes!

I first played it with like a fantasy game, made all kind of shit with different religions, pretty bloody, then I made different nations and made lots of war like in strategy games. Nowadays I play it like SIMS, divided the whole world into rich and poor and gave privileges and freedom to a small amount of them, let the others work for them and starve and suffer diseases. I also created lots of cool cruel diseases which decrease population and make it even funnier. Recently I'm also playing with the world engine, making some funny experiments to the world map environment. But my trade level is better than in every Anno or AoE serie!

and i like to see that you are not a parcial Creator because my city is still better than yours  finger1
;D

anyway, those kind of videos are what makes me get motivated to work on biology or other science-related jobs. i just hope that it will be physicaly possible for us humans to live outside in 20 years...i don't want to work in middle of world wide smog...
ok, i'm talking about pollution now, not global warming  blablabla.gif

and now that i've seen all your posts and videos, sova, i understand better what you mean, but stil... i'm too young to make my mind clear. but i don't really care, i will coninue to make my personal efforts to help reducing co2 emissions, whether they have to do with global warming or not

Don't wanna start new thread. Let's continue here, but a bit other topic for a while :p

DeineLtan, do you read the news (http://bazonline.ch/basel/stadt/21jaehriger-Deutscher-in-Basel-zusammengeschlagen/story/11263752)? What do you think about it? Do you still think religion has nothing to do with it? Your own Basel, my friend, you could be this man...

huh? My own Basel? I could be the man? Say whuuuuut?  Crazysmile1

LOL, come on sova! I just found out now that "the news" was a link, and I read it without surprise. Do you think that's only happening once a year here? Do you think that's a muslim problem only because the victim described them as young Turkish guys? Can you imagine lots of immigrants have legal problems, no matter what their religion is? OMG you're really running into a ignorant direction. No real muslim would tolerate such a crime, and these young gangstas were surely not really "halal."

But I have to say, the more I read and watch about your climate topic, the more I tend to your opinion IN THIS CASE. You should watch the movie "endgame" once, if you haven't already. Easy to find on google videos.

Right on time, right on time...

Sorry, but seems like in every crime the offenders are described as "young turkish guys", surely it has nothing to do with Islam, Islam is religion of peace!!!

Now I take out the Irony-mutator of your post and I bear you out.

It's always the bad stranger, the foreigner that people fear most. The Elite plays with these human fears and manipulates you over it. I stop this discussion here, because you're once more gridlocked, with the only truth:

We're all humans. We all want to live, have some fun and a safe life for our family. There are some mean people who like to harm and influence others, but they exist everywhere. There is no colour or religion to name them like you wish it to be, in your black-white-worldview!

1 last things to others, who don't really know much about religions, especially the Islam:

Check out some detached reports on some religions, and their roots and what some people made out of it.
Christianity, Judaism and Islam have some very same messages: Be a good man, respect the others, be benevolent and gracious
Everything else has economical, national or imperial intentions and is missinterpreted on purpose!

Good report about the Koran and Islam:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOgwJP34FY4&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOgwJP34FY4&feature=related)
For German-speaking guys:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjLcMO7owls&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjLcMO7owls&feature=related)

This topic is about global warming. I will update the forum rules to keep this site clean of private arguments, flaming, political propaganda and religious posts of all kind in future. If there is nothing else to discuss, you don't have to flood the Dark Clan site.

read and understood.

Will keep any personal opinion out of the forum as it doesnt concern ut3.