If your forum nick is your player name, I dont think I knew you, but welcome back to ut3!
Some sure still play UT3! Public VCTF became more of a weapon spam in boxes than its original form, but that's gonna change soon with Matzer's teamplay server!
Cool you're still around Bloody, to answer you it will be the most uber wall-of-text post ever, but okay. Choose what you want to read
From bot-like noob to teamplay vCTF player
I remember that time ofc.
In the very beginning (Dark was already the top clan, aera of m0tz ), I started as a noob in stock map servers. Back then, there were just suspense-only and stock maps server.
I was playing like a stupid bot around, till one night on almost empty server, when Wojci and me chatted a little on German ingame and he told me all teamplay related about vCTF and showed me all map specific stuff, glitches, routes and usual teamwork approaches a noob doesn't know.
I ofc didn't know any of this and it brought me into a new world of gameplay, where it's not only me shooting randomly at all players with different colors and trying to steal a flag, but all the indirect avril usage, correct hoverboard usage, the thinking and acting as/for a team etc. that I, from then on, had so much more fun and things to learn and master in UT3 vCTF.
I started to love Corruption as beautiful map with great layout and hard to capture, where I could see all the teamplay aspects! From the own base defense over a healed nemesis midfield support to the flag carrier taxi offensive team, all had to be lined up and working together for a capture to work out. The same endless matches I found horrible boring as beginner became the best of all, I could learn and help all different parts of gameplay and the cooperation with team members was such a higher level of gameplay than my ego shooting play before. The pros (mostly experienced clan players like you old Darks) lead the match and demonstrated the noobs real vCTF on public!
From then on vCTF became a social fun, I saw and respectecd the skills of other players and was writing and trying to teamplay with all sympathic and skilled players I met.
Foundation of Fick
Under some longtime UT3 friends I met, we took Fick as our clan tag, just for fun and sign of solidarity, not as a clan (in your competitive sense). We formed us out of sympathy and no competitive interests, just a group of UT3 friends playing together on public.
Just good chemistry and no obligations it always was.
I'm still today without any idea how a real clan would work, I just made us a forum, signed us in on CB as a clan, tried to provide an infrastructure so we could have all for free what real clans have.
Was always hard to arrange a clan war, we were always only a few and never occasionally 6 available at a time. So we stayed rather the 'drop in on teamspeak spontaneously' public vCTF friends group.
Had nevertheless quite a few clan wars (all friendly and rather improvised, never ladder because of the mentioned organisatoric problems!) and I think we were quite strong and had big talents like fcb and crooka for example, considering our 0 true clan organisation & compeditive ambitions.
From Suspense-only to Spam-only:
"Anti-Suspense-Front" Fick was back then often protesting against the already totally monotonous Suspense only votings. There wasn't a custom map server and on the few stock maps servers maps like Containment and Corruption totally got ignored.
Later were also custom map servers without spam maps (DfB times) but that changed soon when the spam maps were hosted. While Shoebox and all the crappy Arena_ofs got rather visibly protested by oldschool players into the heavy rotation, strangewise AnarchyHalls was totally welcomed as new nr. 1 map to be played (though 0 vehicle gameplay and shitty cube map like all spam maps) even by oldschool teamplay vCTF players.
Since then I was protesting against spam heavy-rotation and pointing out that it's not real vCTF and prevents any real vCTF CLAN SCENE and got a lot flamings by others for it (Strangely no flamings back in AntiSuspenseFront times, although we did much worse)!
Before custom map servers existed, there was also no map variation (and public/non-clan teamplayers like RattleSN4K3 were always the exception), but the many active real clan players demonstrated on public in stock maps the real teamplay vCTF and were match-making! Noobs could help or be just a wasted slot but didn't dictate the gameplay!
In custom maps server times, the noob/casual player (=majority) votings made spam maps suppress the real vCTF (vehicle & base-to-base layout) maps.
All admins were happy for the popularity, they ALL ignored the new, reduced public vCTF gameplay. Many oldschool teamplay vCTF players lost their decent gametype and quit after beeing bored out by spam-only vCTF.
Yes, UT3 is buggy as shit and unfinished... but that is just an annoyance and doesn't make ideal vCTF unplayable to me. The real problem is the decent vCTF gameplay that got lost and would have to be re-established!
Dont give up before trying!
Thatfor I think it's crucial to host a public server which fills itself with casual players that can vote their spam maps aslong as its empty, but gives a true vCTF map variation and reasonable revote delay when the server is full.
If there's such a server again, populated and with interesting map variation, good vCTF players could enjoy playing again and show real teamplay vCTF on public, just like in the old days!
If you support the idea, tell RattleSN4K3 "Yes, please!", who started such a 'maps-by-player-amount' voting mutator and a huge innovative vCTF map collection!
He wont do all the work and host it just for DeineLtan (unfortunately)...
Sorry to abduct the topic, but that had to be said to such nasty words.
FTW!
And the better public server concept is clear and promoted since long time, rattle even has now pretty much all we would need (voting mutator + big good map selection) but it looks like he's as resigned as you and most decent players are with UT3 and found other priorities
Teamplay public vCTF => clan skilled players => join/found clans => make clan wars => worth to join a clan again!*
*chronological order is crucial
yet I'm the only guy asking for good teamplay public vCTF since years...
So dont tell me Fick should have been competitive or I didn't want it to be, better help us all, by telling rattle you'd like if he gave his public concept a try!
1. You're right that Fick wasn't founded as competitive clan (it was just sharing my fun clan tag 'Fick' under UT3 friends like FCB who I met)
2. You'd be right if you said I didn't accept every invite to a clan war I had (but due to that we had 0 training, experience or even hope for 6 players to be present)
3. You're totally wrong about ClanBase and thinking, I did hold Fick back of becoming competitive (I personally registered us on ClanBase, but we never had enough members online together for regular trainings or clan wars. CB died earlier)
4. We had a friendly clan wars against DoS, RaW, Survivor, BKRTJuniors, etc. in UT3's best time (Lucky we managed to arrange and have enough players present sometimes)
5. I'd say I did most for Fick to become more than a group of vCTF friends with same clan tag, but that is Fick's main reason to exist and there should be no obligations ever!
I'm happy, nevertheless the outcome of vCTF today. I've made great experiences from Wojci explaining me vCTF in stock maps over meeting my friendly clan members, experiencing clan war teamplay etc.
And since I'm the one taking UT3 most too serious of all, I continue till today fighting for the return of a teamplay public vCTF with map variation!
Just dont be all negative and give up yet, Vegas, better tell Rattle to reattack his 'voting mutator' and show you his vCTF map collection and 'Fall of UT' ideas...
IMO we still didn't try the right public vCTF server concept...
What I meant to say, the UT3 clan scene is dead. Since years. Joining a clan now is like joining Fick clan at the best times of UT3: you will never ever play a single game.
We did clan wars!
Also vcTF just died out because you all watched resistanceless how public vCTF lost all its vehicle and team gameplay and became boxy spam CTF...
could be cool to try to come sunday, even if there are not clanmatch. It might be a pro-mixteam-match "rendez-vous" (to make it frenchie =) with players who are available this day, simply.
Actually, this project exist from a long time in our all head i think, so don't let it dying !
Don't you let it die! We had a spontaneous war VS Dark tonight, we were actually thinking you guys come to train with us for the jolt tournament!
We were actually hoping for a training against BkrTs today, but they aren't available. If you have 6 members who would play against us spontaneously today, come to BkrT teamspeak and let me know!
@Deadly: It's pretty much the only requirement I have: NO SPAM-ONLY MAPS. No AnarchyHalls, no FeelGoodInc and no Shoebox. Even Skyscraper doesn't support much teamplay, but since its also so popular that would be the only exception to allow.
Making an innovative and teamplay favoring maplist, that's my goal. Teamplay only = OK Spam + teamplay options = OK spam only = NO WAY
@Devil: Sounds great your proposal! THX a lot, wouldn't be first time Bk.rT did something great for Fick (like Zmei introduced me to SirQ for example). Last time we were training on your server there were some bad lags but if it would work as public and clan server where even our Portuguese homies can play: perfect! I've saved your TS IP already but it says "Enter Password." Send it to me by pm or whatever and we can start to sit together.
@Deadly: It's pretty much the only requirement I have: NO SPAM-ONLY MAPS. No AnarchyHalls, no FeelGoodInc and no Shoebox. Even Skyscraper doesn't support any teamplay, but since its also so popular that would be the only exception to allow.
Making an innovative and teamplay favoring maplist, that's my goal. Teamplay only = OK Spam + teamplay options = OK spam only = NO WAY
@Devil: Sounds great your proposal! THX a lot, wouldn't be first time Bk.rT did something great for Fick (like Zmei introduced me to SirQ for example). Last time we were training on your server there were some bad lags but if it would work as public and clan server where even our Portuguese homies can play: perfect! I've saved your TS IP already but it says "Enter Password." Send it to me by pm or whatever and we can start to sit together.
I'm also a bit "sacred" if i made Ltan's words not exactly wnat he wanted.. so if you have any doubt, talk to him
As if you were trying to do things the way I want, fcb...
Just want to mention our Fick Forum is very small and inappropriate for such a major vCTF community discussion, but you're welcome anyway. (And I sort out accounts by hand, so you'd have to use your UT3 nickname)
The discussion about the future of the DoS server is still ongoing on the DoS Forums, the public server concept I suggest can be found here.
But if you really hate all kinds of graffitti and you're not STRONGLY interested in arts, museums and architecture, it's probably not worth travelling 12h in train for a one-day visit of Basel. To be honest, the best is already in the pictures above, I guess. And I only like Basel when it's sunny, that's also pretty risky if it's only planned for one fix day! Well, food, there's a lot of Swiss specialities like "Rösti" and "Basler Läckerli." A football match in the St.Jakob Stadium maybe... :D
But I think I'm totally not interested in the same things like you and I'm not sure if it's gonna be a highlight of your europe trip, then. You surely had more fun when you'd spend about a week in Switzerland and we visit also different cities like Lucerne, Lugano and Geneva.
So, we'll better do it only if it's a wish of you or you are already bored in Alemania. I keep the invitation open but warn me some days before so I could plan a bit if you'd change your mind.
Otherwise have fun the rest of your trip in Germany and maybe see you on your next europe trip if you survived Kyrgystan :D
Our Swiss banks store gold melted from dental crowns during WWII.
So much to national reputations!
No Schweiz for you? You miss the best!
Rhein in Basel! The Münster cathedral! The old city gates! The townhall! Helvetia! night panorama! The Messeturm! best Graffittis of Europe! and all the Basilisks! and that's only my town!:P
well, for Lilium_Atratum it would be IN Necropolis, because he thinks he's a Necris and that Necropolis is a city. For ppl who can still make the difference between reality and unreal and who consider Necropolis to be a virtual map, it's ON Necropolis.
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), I started as a noob in stock map servers. Back then, there were just suspense-only and stock maps server.
You have a nice idea of Fick...
We did clan wars!
As if you were trying to do things the way I want, fcb... 
You surely had more fun when you'd spend about a week in Switzerland and we visit also different cities like Lucerne, Lugano and Geneva.
