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« on: Mon 07.12.2009 20:34:55 »

For those, who still think, that CO2 we emit into air depends on temperature on the Earth, print this graph and put it on your wall  xxxlaugh.gif


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« Reply #1 on: Mon 07.12.2009 20:57:56 »

For those, who still think, that CO2 we emit into air depends on temperature on the Earth, print this graph and put it on your wall  xxxlaugh.gif

ok THAT'S again something interesting you post. Can you give me the source where you got this from and who examined this influences? And is the arctic AIR temperature linked to the melting of the ice and warming of the oceans?

I personally think it's not a wise idea anyway to change the chemical allocation of our globe this strongly as we have no idea of it's consequences in the long run.

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« Reply #2 on: Mon 07.12.2009 23:20:50 »

ok, here i see you again having common idea, the idea, that those, who are upon us, want us to think. Actually there a lot of science programs (not on TV, in internet), who reveal you, that global warming is one big lie, i wonder you haven't met any. Or may be you did, but preferred to believe to what government tells you in news on TV. I've took this graph from here, if you are interested: http://rps3.com/Files/AGW/Rutan.AGWdataAnalysis%20v11.pdf




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« Reply #3 on: Mon 07.12.2009 23:25:32 »

by the way, DeineLtan, do you know how much nature itself throws CO2 into airs??? one volcano explosion brings amount of CO2, that humans produce for years!! Well, nearly.

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« Reply #4 on: Tue 08.12.2009 01:11:23 »

that video LOOOOOOOL  xxxlaugh.gif xxxlaugh.gif

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« Reply #5 on: Tue 08.12.2009 09:56:02 »

that video LOOOOOOOL  xxxlaugh.gif xxxlaugh.gif
Exactly, it's LOL, so why it was removed to another thread? =\

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« Reply #6 on: Tue 08.12.2009 13:53:43 »

because we can discuss this beyond that video. we can express our opinions about that video or other issues relating to global warming!

well, that guy may have said some really true words...but global warming is an actual problem, and if the 6,5 bilion preople start to think like him, then YES, the planet IS going DOWN

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« Reply #7 on: Tue 08.12.2009 22:19:06 »

Global warming is an actually problem? And do you think it is because WE throw too much CO2? Then let me explain this more intelligible....



And btw, watch some video here:



Unfortunately, i didn't find videos from Lindoln LaRouche, cuz he's changed his web site design so much, that i hardly find there anything....
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« Reply #8 on: Tue 08.12.2009 22:32:44 »

it is an actual problem yes. and no, it's not only because we throw too much CO2. it's because we throw it without control, and we also take out the few things that can erase CO2 levels, aka trees and other plants, it's because we are starting to fuck every second and creating more and more children. people from India get babies every 2 seconds!
and there are lots of other things.
more? CO2 increases the greenhouse effect. which increases temperature.
BUT, CFC's (you know what that is?) destroys the ozone layer, which allows sun beams to penetrate easily our atmosphere.

anyway, i still want to stay with this mind that we need to decrease CO2 levels, also CFC's, and other gases. i thinkl we need to stop being so addicted to oil. we need alternative energies.
hey, even if the temperature raises with solar activity, if we make these changes of trying to decrease CO2 levels, it won't hurt anybody, will it?
that's my poit of view.

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« Reply #9 on: Tue 08.12.2009 22:56:31 »

hey, even if the temperature raises with solar activity, if we make these changes of trying to decrease CO2 levels, it won't hurt anybody, will it?
No, it will. Do you know, how much coil Afrika has? A lot! And why doesn't it use this cheap energy source to develop itself faster, like Europe did in the part and every other (that is developed now) region?? Because now all those greenpeaces are trying to insert those "green" technologies into there, that are very expensive and not effective. Surely, who cares about poverty and low life level in Afrika, we care only about our own asses!

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« Reply #10 on: Tue 08.12.2009 22:59:40 »

Wooho, here i found them. (click)

1) Cold truth about climate
2) Goodbye, Global Warming
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« Reply #11 on: Wed 09.12.2009 11:11:31 »

ok, I have seen now both sides and I come to the opinion that it's totally right and urgent to change to renewable energies and lower our emissions.
I totally agree with fcb; even when there's a risk we're wrong about our influence on the global warming, we can't ignore it.

And we have to get off that 'who's responsable by doing what' discussion so much and put focus on how much will it be sooner and later and how to handle it the best. Because global warming is happening, no one can doubt this, and we have to prepare for this changing.

But even when you want to get on with the responsability question, more facts speak indeed for a disequilibration caused by humans, and the actual swindle seems to be this movie. There are enough real conspiracies in our world, speak to me about 9/11 or the repression of clean energy if you like these discussions (yet some other threads, I know :D), this one here is pretty sure NONE.

I found a nice TV discussion just about your movie which reveals some "inconvenient UNtruths" in your movie. Watch them and listen carefull to the specialists in the debate (Takes some time but a founded opinion to have takes always work, doesn't it?). That has to change your opinion if you're weighing the given information rationally.


And your comedian is funny and partially right; we dont kill our planet. But we do kill ourselves by changing the conditions of our planet. One very striking fact is also mentioned in this video above:
There have been times when it was warmer and more CO2 in the atmosphere, prehistorical times. And volcans did indeed put much more CO2 in the air than we (in these times, NOT nowadays!). These are all facts written down in thousands of years old rock layers. They tell us it was a life-hostile time in human mesurements. Plants could only live in these times, prehistorical plants which took most of the CO2 out of the atmosphere, binding it into themselves. These plants are the oil we burn today and release their carbonite into the air again. You dont have to be a genious to assess if that's a wise step for beeings like us, who need this atmosphere that we're still living in.
It's dangerous and ignorant to deny this. We aint gonna kill this planet, but we may have an influence how long we're living on it.
Once more, my prefered way is co-existence instead of denial and domination.

And cutting off the 3rd world's economical power is a whole other issue and has been begon since colonialisation and goes on till nowadays. Of course we gotta make sure the same possibilities and chances for everybody, but you cannot change this from one day to another. I got some ideas on shifting ressources and establish a fair global economical competition which would not decompose itself that fast and heavy as we have it today, but that would be more than just one new thread and we're still on a egoshooter clan forum ;-)

But very interesting discussion and I appreciate it of you to bring this into dialogue and make people think again on their own opinion, the medial influence and the world we're living in and we're leaving to our children one day.
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« Reply #12 on: Wed 09.12.2009 11:37:09 »

ok, I have seen now both sides and I come to the opinion that it's totally right and urgent to change to renewable energies and lower our emissions.
I totally agree with fcb; even when there's a risk we're wrong about our influence on the global warming, we can't ignore it.
Did he bring some super-arguments, that cancel all i wrote and showed? Please show them to me.

Now more and more TV programs are being created after documents from Great Britain Climat Change center have been revealed (hacked and published), revealing, that they have changed temperature measures by themselves to make publics believe global warming is true, and also a lot of other things, which you can freely download from internet. (i'm too lazy to search for link now).

And TV show is not argument here, because we all know, that TV is mass media and it is their biggest tool to make publics believe global warming is true. If you look at those TV shows about global warming, u see no scientist there, that opposes to the fact of Global Warming - they simple don't invite them!

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« Reply #13 on: Wed 09.12.2009 11:57:09 »

Did he bring some super-arguments, that cancel all i wrote and showed? Please show them to me.

Now more and more TV programs are being created after documents from Great Britain Climat Change center have been revealed (hacked and published), revealing, that they have changed temperature measures by themselves to make publics believe global warming is true, and also a lot of other things, which you can freely download from internet. (i'm too lazy to search for link now).

And TV show is not argument here, because we all know, that TV is mass media and it is their biggest tool to make publics believe global warming is true. If you look at those TV shows about global warming, u see no scientist there, that opposes to the fact of Global Warming - they simple don't invite them!

Soooo untrue! Just watch the debate, dont be too convenient. There are almost the same opponents as the pro side, which isn't at all represantive to the true composition. But of course, all scientists are paid or afraid to tell the truth, aight?

Yes, fcb said the most important fact which blows all your arguments away: we cant take the risk!

Btw, if TV shows are no argument, why do you argument with this Britain TV programm, a wrong funded emission of a broadcaster which often provokes with false stories?

And even when we suppose there is no risk,
do you think its good to have this fuel pumped into the air? CO2 is one thing, there are hell more emissions and toxic COx radical gases going out. When you spend a day in downtown Manhatten, your shower water is dark at the beginning. Lung cancers are way more often in heavily urbanized regions than in villages, even taken out the more amount of smokers. Really, your theory isnt sustainable if you see all facts.
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« Reply #14 on: Wed 09.12.2009 12:09:26 »

Btw, if TV shows are no argument, why do you argument with this Britain TV programm, a wrong funded emission of a broadcaster which often provokes with false stories?
Because i couldn't find another videos i searched for. But later i did, and posted them here. But i think you didn't even open them.

No, i don't think we should continue to emit more and more shit into the air. But at least everyone needs to know the truth, but not what government wants you to think. Global warming has already become a business, a lot of money are funded into those doubtful projects like (influence of global warming on mouses) just to make people believe this swindle even more. We are trying to prove something, that is primordially false! That's how our science goes forward, huh?

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« Reply #15 on: Wed 09.12.2009 12:27:38 »

Because i couldn't find another videos i searched for. But later i did, and posted them here. But i think you didn't even open them.

No, i don't think we should continue to emit more and more shit into the air. But at least everyone needs to know the truth, but not what government wants you to think. Global warming has already become a business, a lot of money are funded into those doubtful projects like (influence of global warming on mouses) just to make people believe this swindle even more. We are trying to prove something, that is primordially false! That's how our science goes forward, huh?

I watched your video. Neither me or you can say something about the influence of the alignment of the sun towards the earth which goes over seasons and why february has only 28 days. So we can't say if these videos are wrong or right. The facts your other 'opinion-programme' claims are just wrong, and your graph about sun activity and it's influence on artctic air temperatures is misleading and not impartial.

But as I know,
people can only believe what they want to believe, good most people see it different these times and I dont have to worry and make any more effort to convince you of the facts and bring you away from your dangerous optimism.

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« Reply #16 on: Wed 09.12.2009 12:34:09 »

I watched your video. Neither me or you can say something about the influence of the alignment of the sun towards the earth which goes over seasons and why february has only 28 days. So we can't say if these videos are wrong or right. The facts your other 'opinion-programme' claims are just wrong, and your graph about sun activity and it's influence on artctic air temperatures is misleading and not impartial.
I don't see here any argument! Don't u have anymore? I understand, everything leaded to this.


What about Greenshouse effect, joao, i would suggest to you to read some not-governmental supported sites, like this one. I need to run to the market now, to buy some Lebensmittel, i'll come back soon xD


DeineLtan, it seems like you always try to oppose my opinion, without any connection to what i say...

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« Reply #17 on: Wed 09.12.2009 12:44:28 »

I don't see here any argument! Don't u have anymore? I understand, everything leaded to this.


What about Greenshouse effect, joao, i would suggest to you to read some not-governmental supported sites, like this one. I need to run to the market now, to buy some Lebensmittel, i'll come back soon xD


DeineLtan, it seems like you always try to oppose my opinion, without any connection to what i say...

The opposite is the case, my dear! And I have to say, I had the same idea like you.

You're the one who refuses to watch the counter statement and who didnt reply to one of my many arguments:

- CO2, binded by prehistorical plants from a life-hostile era, released again now by humans

- The fact that because there's this risk, we cant afford its consequences.

- We aren't astronomers, and even they can only make up theories about ice ages. Doesnt legit the risk.

- Other heavy pollution gases, toxic at the same time decreasing CO2-binding plants.

And I don't want to write out all the anti arguments of the movie, just watch it, a donkey will understand my opinion is funded and your's IS NOT.
If you wanna discuss, go in on my arguments also, than we can go on with your counter statements.

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« Reply #18 on: Wed 09.12.2009 13:22:10 »

Better be prepared for the worst I say.  msn011.gif If I'm going to live for the next, say, 60 years, there's bound to come some sort of drastic changes/ catastrophes that will require some drastic changes in lifestyle.

As for global warming I suppose it is real, and something needs to be done if we can.  xxxras.gif

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« Reply #19 on: Wed 09.12.2009 13:59:54 »

And I don't want to write out all the anti arguments of the movie, just watch it, a donkey will understand my opinion is funded and your's IS NOT.
Surely, only donkey will understand your opinion, donkey won't understand mine cuz it's beyond his comprehension  xxxlaugh.gif   I don't wanna waste my time to oppose your statements, because it doesn't work anyway. You are so obstinate with your opinion as a...donkey, yea! The one you took as example  xxxlaugh.gif

by the way, PainSavour is right about changing our lifestyle. Just check out site energy.eu/ and scroll till "Depletion". See dates? Gas and Oil will end up on this planet even in this century, and we will witness this all! That's gonna be h0t times  Grin

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