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aka_sova
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« on: Wed 11.11.2009 01:41:59 »

Hallo!

I'm sorry it's in german, but it's important ^^

Piraten Partei supports Petition for free access to scientific transactions (in Germany), it fastens up development rate, that will allow for Germany to stay in first rows of progress. It will also reduce money waste on "Fachzeitschriften" - erm...smth like "specialized magazine" from universities, it was almost 220 millions euro in 2008!
More information here: >click<

You need to register on site of >Bustestag Petitionen< and support the >Petition< - we need 50000 people till December 22, in 1 day we have already reached more, than 3500 people. I have already voted, and you?

Let's finally do something good!  Rock

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« Reply #1 on: Wed 11.11.2009 02:25:20 »

Pretty expensive, ever thought about that? You know how much a scientific mag costs a year per person?

It sounds like the wannabe chancellor of Germany, Horst Schlämmer, da weisse Bescheid? Minimum wages since birth for everyone... lets say 2500€? Hurray! (?)

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« Reply #2 on: Wed 11.11.2009 12:00:51 »

Pretty expensive, ever thought about that? You know how much a scientific mag costs a year per person?
220 millions / 82 millions = ~2.7 euro?

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« Reply #3 on: Wed 11.11.2009 18:20:59 »

I wouldn't have expected such a communist attitude... but well, you're talking about Germany spending money, not Israel. So never mind, you're no communist for sure than.
PS: The part with the 220millions in your calculation... failed. Some more German lessions could help at this point.

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« Reply #4 on: Wed 11.11.2009 18:31:06 »

PS: The part with the 220millions in your calculation... failed. Some more German lessions could help at this point.
What did i do wrong?

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« Reply #5 on: Wed 11.11.2009 18:41:08 »

Ready to read it again? >click<

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« Reply #6 on: Wed 11.11.2009 19:12:12 »

What do you want with your stupid propaganda? rofl <-
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« Reply #7 on: Wed 11.11.2009 20:44:06 »

I dont know about your scientific papers, but normally a magazine must pay salaries to their editors who have a big time working on summarizing scientific results and making them easy to read to the public. If you are from the certain area of study and looking for a special study or as matters stand in this department, you can easily find the study yourself on the internet, just need some time and capability of understanding the study. So, paying for the work the editors do is for sure legit. A cook also gets more money for his meals than the ingredients of it would cost.

Or did I get something wrong?

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« Reply #8 on: Wed 11.11.2009 22:39:10 »

Ready to read it again? >click<
»Allein die Universitäts- und Landesbibliotheken haben 2008 fast 220 Millionen Euro nur für den Erwerb von Fachzeitschriften ausgegeben. Das ist Geld, das in Forschung und Lehre sicher besser angelegt wäre.«

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« Reply #9 on: Wed 11.11.2009 22:41:53 »

Also number of supporters already raised up to 5784. You decide whatever you want to sign petition or not, i'm not going to argue here more, as far as from my experience, in all arguments here no one ever supported me.

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« Reply #10 on: Wed 11.11.2009 22:42:41 »

WTF is this all about? No, I mean this is really the wrong forums to rally your supporters fro whatever thing you're supporting outside UT.

If anything, you'd better help out Peter Sunde and those guys running The Pirate Bay. Tongue

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« Reply #11 on: Wed 11.11.2009 22:43:39 »

Yeah rly, its called UT3 Dark Clan.

Not Pirate Party Clan or whatsoever...

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« Reply #12 on: Wed 11.11.2009 22:45:25 »

I posted it in Hobbies & Freetime -> Hobbies. In this part of forum there is nothing to do with UT3, so i posted here.

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« Reply #13 on: Wed 11.11.2009 22:48:33 »

I posted it in Hobbies & Freetime -> Hobbies. In this part of forum there is nothing to do with UT3, so i posted here.

You are right, but don't you get that topics like these always starts arguements and that stuff? And why do you support a german party? :D

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« Reply #14 on: Wed 11.11.2009 22:58:07 »

The publication (or not) of foreign researches is your hobby?  msn002.gif

PS: I guess you found the sentence I related to before, but I doubt you understood what it means.  Roll Eyes

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« Reply #15 on: Wed 11.11.2009 22:58:45 »

And why do you support a german party? :D
Why can't i? I'm their supporter already 2 months and read all stuff they post there.

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« Reply #16 on: Wed 11.11.2009 23:00:49 »

PS: I guess you found the sentence I related to before, but I doubt you understood what it means.  Roll Eyes
I've read the topic and understood it all. If you have no idea about my german level, don't talk some rot  xxxras.gif

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« Reply #17 on: Wed 11.11.2009 23:01:58 »

Now I wasn't talking about your German...  msn011.gif

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« Reply #18 on: Wed 11.11.2009 23:18:08 »

I dont get why some people are so critical on this topic  Smiley
The petition is only about the free publication of results, protocols and solutions from the scientific research in germany which were financed by the public budget already. Its about making it accesseble to anyone.
professional magacines can and will still exist to make articles about that easier for reading and keeping only the most interessting things. I will sign when i find my account-data ^^
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« Reply #19 on: Wed 11.11.2009 23:44:08 »

Thanks for your support, EisWiesel!  wink2.gif

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« Reply #20 on: Sun 15.11.2009 01:07:17 »

First of all,
I really think its cool and ok if Sova makes such threads which go beyond a game. Why not discussing on a easy and fair way about this topic? If you dont want, just dont post a comment Bloody or Vegas, I think open eyes in our world is needed and people should talk more about such stuff and make themselves an opinion. Thats rather more important than posting your music or decorated windows  xxxlaugh.gif

And giving results of studies for free sounds nice, release them nicely summarized in journal-like style for free would be unpaid work. And I dont know what juristical rights should be granted to the companies which financed such studies, so not everything can be free to all, of course (Piraten Partei ideology, i know, a bit economic-hostile if you ask me).

And btw, heyyyy EisWiesel is still alive!!!  msn008.gif  Smiley

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« Reply #21 on: Sun 15.11.2009 09:38:32 »

I don't mind this topic too much, since this priate party doesn't follow the religious or racist kind of goals as sova's usual propaganda topics (...all removed!). Yes, it doesn't sound bad to have access to research results, but still I think it doesn't fit in an UT3 forum too well, but whatever.

My concern about this publications was the economic impact vs benefit to 'the public'. As I wrote »The part with the 220millions in your calculation... failed.«, I linked it to sova's calculation: '220 millions / 82 millions = ~2.7 euro?'. Thats totally wrong in the context of the article! The German nation pays the 220 m €, now, to equip public libraries and universities with journals. This has nothing to do with the esteemed cost to make results of researches accessible to the public, which would be by far bigger.

I checked my uni's online 'metalib' report: the Region pays 340€ for online subscriptions and excerpts for any single university inscription. On the other hand, in the preparation sessions to learn how to write a thesis, we were told to use 'metalib', since it is so expensive and almost no one makes use of it... Such a waste of money!
Also this article says »Besonders wenn es an so einer Kleinigkeit mangelt wie der Bezahlung von Zeitschriften-Abonnements«, what means that it are just peanuts to pay for journal abos. It doesn't mean that the sole results of researches could be published, maybe just extracted from protocols. The results have to be elaborated and composed as articles in journals, as the pirate party phrased this demand. And honestly, who should do all this work, the researchers themselves maybe? Foreign participants shouldn't get no voice regarding such a topic, but this is an oppositionist's campaign, they will take everything they get. Good luck with the petition, vote as you feel like.

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« Reply #22 on: Sun 15.11.2009 16:40:51 »

woooord, Vegas! I thought you're very young. Your words release wisdom.   msn009.gif

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